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0:00 Caller: Hi, Jedd.
0:00 You: This call will be recorded.
0:06 You: Hello.
0:10 You: Yes, John.
0:12 Caller: Yes. Hey, how's it going? Sorry, I just missed the call back. I literally just stepped away from my desk for a second. Thanks for giving me a ring.
0:15 You: Of course.
0:20 Caller: Yeah, so I just want to run through your background, you know, see what you're looking for in a new role,
0:20 You: So you have my application.
0:21 You: How else can I help you with my candidacy?
0:28 Caller: and then I could walk you through, you know, this position on my end, see if it makes sense,
0:32 Caller: and see if I have anything else as well.
0:34 Caller: That could be a fit for you.
0:35 You: Excellent.
0:37 Caller: Yeah, so I guess just to get started,
0:40 Caller: what is putting you on the job market what's making you considering moving on from your current situation
0:40 You: So two weeks ago now, a founder reached out to me
0:48 You: suggesting an interview at their startup
0:51 You: because they looked at my profile
0:53 You: and realized I'm doing things at a level
0:55 You: that they would like to do themselves.
0:57 You: So I figured, you know what?
0:58 You: I've been here for almost...
1:00 Caller: got it got it okay so what have you been handling in terms of like tools technologies like
1:00 You: four years, my initial vest is about to complete.
1:02 You: Maybe it's worth reassessing the value of my skills, knowledge, and experience.
1:11 Caller: where's your expertise lie what you're building
1:12 You: So I was originally brought on to automate the underwriting function.
1:17 You: Now I'm at the point where I wield dozens of agents concurrently.
1:20 Caller: Thank you.
1:20 You: across multiple LLM providers to build software autonomously.
1:22 Caller: Thank you.
1:23 Caller: Thank you.
1:25 You: So where the average five-biter or engineer still needs to babysit
1:29 You: an interactive CLI to produce their software, I don't.
1:34 You: And that's allowed, that leverage has allowed me to produce far more software,
1:38 You: far more solutions faster.
1:40 Caller: okay got it got it so um from an ai perspective and like tools you're utilizing what what are you
1:40 You: than what is considered the best practices to be.
1:52 Caller: working with you know to help assist with your day-to-day
1:54 You: So the models themselves are the official
1:57 You: in the IPT.
2:00 Caller: We're going to be able to do.
2:00 You: family models as well as the likes of Glenn, GLM, Kimmy, and Minimax.
2:02 Caller: Thank you.
2:04 Caller: Thank you.
2:05 Caller: Thank you.
2:06 You: I believe you have my resume.
2:08 You: On that is a link to my GitHub as well as a link to my personal website.
2:11 You: So that also offers at least some insight into what I hope,
2:16 You: as well as certain philosophically holds on.
2:20 Caller: got it got it okay how would you say okay how would you say okay now how would you
2:20 You: wielding LLMs, things that don't really represent well on a resume.
2:25 You: And I don't expect you to read any of that.
2:27 You: I expect most people to dispatch their agents to summarize it for them.
2:35 Caller: say that AI's changed like your day-to-day in terms of like workflows right opening up
2:40 Caller: more times in certain areas like
2:40 You: At a minimum, I do not handwrite code.
2:43 You: So what that means in practice is because the agents are able to write the code autonomously,
2:47 You: it is a lot cheaper to produce code or more important to run experiments.
2:51 You: So the gaps that could benefit from engineering attention,
2:55 You: but were too small to dedicate a full engineering squad, are the kind of...
3:00 Caller: Thank you.
3:00 You: of gaps that I fill. And there are plenty of opportunities for automation within my current
3:02 Caller: Thank you.
3:05 You: employer that allow me to expand this area that where I impact. So I'm at a point now where
3:12 You: every leader at Roe consume something directly from me as well as their respective teams.
3:20 Caller: Okay. Got it. Got it. Now, in your situation, do you head in the office? Do you work remotely? What are you doing? What are you comfortable doing?
3:20 You: I'm hybrid at the moment, so in a couple days out the others.
3:33 You: My preference is remote, but I understand that that is the exception, not the rule.
3:37 You: I'm comfortable with in office.
3:39 You: I have no real objection.
3:40 Caller: Okay. Got it. Got it. And what about compensation? What are you targeting to make a job move?
3:40 You: as long as it's commutable for my own and longness in New York.
3:43 You: The only request I have there is flexibility to attend to my disabled wife and our autistic son when emergencies arise.
4:00 Caller: Okay, and just to confirm, work off.
4:00 You: but generally the median process at 320,000 base and where between 500 and 700 total
4:09 You: comp. Unclear where your client is there, but that's where my current processes are. So I figure
4:14 You: that's a safe range to me.
4:20 Caller: authorization status, U.S. citizen, green card holder, do you require sponsorship, citizen?
4:20 You: Correct.
4:22 You: U.S. citizen no sponsorship necessary.
4:26 Caller: Great. So, Chad, I'm curious. Obviously, you have people reaching out to you. What do you look for in a
4:30 You: Three things.
4:32 Caller: position? You know, what is going to excite you about the role of itself?
4:34 You: Yeah, certainly.
4:36 You: So three things I look for in general.
4:38 You: The place where data is both present
4:40 Caller: Thank you.
4:40 You: and necessary. Instinct and insight are good, but I'm of the opinion. They must always be
4:44 You: backed by data. The second is a place where I have the relative freedom to pursue what I genuinely
4:50 You: think is the best solution to the problem. My career is quite diverse to get longer, so I want to be
4:56 You: able to bring forward the earned skills, knowledge, and experience.
5:00 Caller: It's just...
5:00 You: into the next role.
5:01 Caller: ...and...
5:02 Caller: ...and...
5:02 You: And the last is a place with a phrase,
5:03 Caller: ...and...
5:04 Caller: ...and...
5:04 You: that's not my job, doesn't exist.
5:05 Caller: ...and...
5:06 Caller: ...the...
5:06 You: I see that as a sign of bureaucracy
5:08 You: and trying to avoid it.
5:10 You: Now, in principle,
5:11 You: as like a staff or principal title
5:15 You: or founding engineer title,
5:16 You: the trouble I have with titles
5:18 You: is they are not as disqualification.
5:20 Caller: Okay, great, great. So the role you apply to in my class.
5:20 You: descriptive today as they were maybe a decade ago, mainly because of the
5:24 You: distance that I represented. So my focus is to be on the business problem and its
5:31 You: potential impact if solved.
5:40 Caller: here. It's with Ramp. Are you familiar with them?
5:40 You: Unfortunately, I cannot work for RAMP.
5:45 You: I currently work for REL and the non-complete agreement requires at least one year separation
5:49 You: before working for RAMP, so unfortunately I can't accept that one.
5:51 Caller: Got it. Got it. How did, has anyone ever reached out to you about them before, too, or no?
5:55 You: No, but just so happens.
6:00 Caller: yeah yeah it makes sense okay yeah yeah I'm not too sure honestly how's um and I'm curious just because
6:00 You: because I work for Ro, I'm legitimately a competitor.
6:02 You: I can't have a Ramp for a year, or rather, I can try.
6:06 You: Ro may sue, but I assume because I am not an executive,
6:10 You: the non-compete clause is unenforceable,
6:11 You: but it's unclear if Ramp will go to that extent to protect me.
6:20 Caller: I get other positions, too, that I'll be able to help out down the line.
6:20 You: I mean, I intend to accept to probably on or around 4th, July.
6:22 Caller: That's why I wanted to run through your background, right, just so I know what to reach out about going forward.
6:26 Caller: Where are you currently interviewing right now in terms of, like, your other processes?
6:30 Caller: Like, are you far along anywhere?
6:31 Caller: Like, what's your timeline looking like?
6:35 Caller: Yeah, it's great.
6:37 You: I already have some unsigned.
6:40 Caller: Okay. Has anyone reached out to you regarding like walleye capital or chimera capital? Have you heard of those funds?
6:40 You: some second and third rounds and with PE funds, a hedge fund, and some frontier labs.
7:00 Caller: yeah okay i'll shoot it over to you yeah let me know all right because i could definitely
7:00 You: While I know, Primera sounds familiar is, well, I remember once you have the spec, I can check my email.
7:14 Caller: see about maybe getting this situation started for you um and yeah if i have anything else in my
7:19 Caller: and i'll be sure to let you know
7:20 Caller: as well, too. Okay?
7:20 You: Understood. The only other thing to call out is because I'm already far along in other
7:28 You: processes to recognize that some had to connect with these clients. So just want to make sure
7:33 You: that they're comfortable making the decision on a compressed timeline. Because I know some
7:40 Caller: Yeah, I mean, it depends on certain situations.
7:40 You: I've already pushed back on that.
7:44 Caller: Like, do you have an offer in hand right now that that has a deadline or?
7:48 You: In hand, no, but I anticipate one within one to two weeks.
7:51 You: So I figured the farthest I can push that is a week and a half.
7:55 Caller: Okay, did they give you a verbal offer?
7:56 You: So in practice, I am...
8:00 Caller: got it got it so yeah um but obviously and listen i'm not sure with the other processes obviously
8:00 You: two months away from a potential offer that's where my timing is coming from.
8:06 You: And then assuming the offer comes on that timeframe,
8:08 You: another week, week and a half to push that decision.
8:16 Caller: two rounds anything could happen um so i i i
8:20 Caller: Just keep me posted on your end, right?
8:20 You: It's a big and expensive decision, so I don't expect them to rush it too much.
8:22 Caller: If we do get involved in a process,
8:23 Caller: because I'll do everything I can to obviously expedite anything.
8:27 Caller: But also, like, they, it just depends on the client, honestly.
8:31 Caller: So we'll just play it by year.
8:35 Caller: Yes, exactly.
8:36 Caller: So we'll play it all by ear.
8:38 Caller: Okay.
8:40 Caller: And we'll go from there, right?
8:40 You: Splendid. Looking forward to your email.
8:44 Caller: Awesome.
8:44 You: You have my resume. I believe you have my GitHub and my personal website from the resume.
8:45 Caller: Of course.
8:49 Caller: Yep.
8:50 You: I don't know if either of those will help when you present a profile.
8:55 Caller: Got it, got it.
8:55 Caller: Yeah, I will, well, I'll shoot the description over to you.
8:58 Caller: Okay, and...
9:00 Caller: If it's somewhere you haven't been spoke to yet or submitted,
9:00 You: Understood. Is this cool down still one year?
9:03 Caller: I'll be sending them over your resume and, you know,
9:06 Caller: a little description about you,
9:08 Caller: which obviously your resume includes the LinkedIn and GitHub,
9:11 Caller: so they'll be able to review that.
9:13 You: Perfect. Is it a cool down still one year? Or is it different now?
9:18 Caller: Depends for each client.
9:20 Caller: Yeah, each place matters.
9:20 You: Understood. If they exist in my inbox, I'll let you know month here, and hopefully that's enough.
9:27 Caller: Yeah, yeah, just let me know if it is on your end,
9:29 Caller: be like, just tell me like the last time you spoke and we'll figure it out from there.
9:33 You: Perfect. All right. Thank you very much. You too.
9:35 Caller: Awesome. Yeah, of course, yeah, have a good one. Bye-bye.