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0:00 Caller: Hey, Jed, how are you?
0:00 You: This call will be recorded.
0:06 You: Hey, Ellen.
0:10 Caller: Not too bad, I'm on a little walk and I saw your...
0:10 You: I'm well in yourself.
0:20 Caller: your assessment and appreciate you sharing that um but you know the deep debrief that's right
0:20 You: We're going to be able to be.
0:28 Caller: but i just kind of wanted to dig a little deeper um well i can tell you for sure the mandate so to
0:36 Caller: speak is not
0:40 Caller: for an engineer that speaks insurance that would be this would be the first i've heard of this you know what i mean
0:40 You: I acknowledge, but what was written didn't align with what the apparent expectations were from Zach.
0:47 Caller: like they haven't told me the recruiter yeah that's okay okay uh
1:00 Caller: Well, I think that what he actually said, we're looking for a founding engineer that speaks insurance.
1:00 You: he didn't explicitly say speaks insurance but my lack of knowledge in the insurance space collided with his apparent impatient
1:20 Caller: oh that's funny yeah i mean again look here's what i would say um you know uh yeah zack can come across
1:20 You: for not knowing the terms that he took for granted.
1:35 Caller: like you just said you know maybe a bit hard
1:40 Caller: right there's no expectation and it is completely natural and expected that any
1:40 You: We're going to be.
1:49 Caller: engineer that he speaks with doesn't know insurance term I didn't know
1:55 Caller: insurance terms a lot of the terms here until I started you know what I'm
2:00 Caller: working on the role. So, you know, so I would, you know, but it's fair for you to feel that way
2:00 You: I am I asked
2:09 Caller: if he reacted that way. So I can totally understand that. But did you get to ask any questions?
2:20 Caller: It's the whole point that they didn't, you know.
2:20 You: a handful and they were, I asked a handful and some of them were, I don't know, others were,
2:26 You: go ask Amir. So I got the impression of the 30 minutes allocated. I was potentially dismissed
2:34 You: around minute seven. But again, that's my perspective. Maybe Zach has complete.
2:40 Caller: Okay, okay. So the call lasted seven minutes.
2:40 You: the opposite one.
2:47 You: No, no, no, the call lasted, hold on.
2:50 You: Where's my...
2:51 Caller: Oh, 30 minutes. Okay, but you...
2:51 You: The call lasted much longer than that.
2:53 You: By minute seven, I got the impression
2:56 Caller: Yeah.
2:57 You: his assessment of me cooled.
3:00 Caller: Okay.
3:00 You: It wasn't, so the best I have the notes that I wrote immediately after the call.
3:03 Caller: Well, what kind of, you know, again, I always like to dissect as best I can and that doesn't let my fireflies in there.
3:13 Caller: So, uh...
3:20 Caller: Got it, got it.
3:20 You: I was asking him broadly about the timeline of the roadmap.
3:21 Caller: Was there anything that he asked other than, let's say, specific, you know,
3:25 Caller: things that, you know, for specific insurance terminology that you felt?
3:33 You: I don't know if you've seen the deck,
3:35 You: but there's a section of the deck that talks about three phases.
3:40 Caller: All right.
3:40 You: no timeline so was the intent to complete all three phases before the runway ran out he didn't have an answer for that now in his defense it's entirely possible i came off as highly skeptical of his
3:43 Caller: Okay.
3:44 Caller: All right.
3:57 Caller: All right.
3:58 Caller: So.
3:59 Caller: Thank you.
4:00 Caller: okay okay well i haven't gotten feedback from him yet i'll be meeting with the team to
4:00 You: plan. So that's on me. I could have probably handled that part better.
4:20 Caller: tomorrow um but i see um all right well uh the next step would be the exercise uh how do you feel about
4:20 You: Thank you.
4:22 You: We're going to be.
4:32 Caller: i mean it sounds like you said you would be open to continuing the process is that correct
4:40 Caller: Thank you.
4:40 You: I'm not, to be frank with you, I'm not as excited about continuing the process here as
4:41 Caller: Thank you.
4:42 Caller: Thank you.
4:44 Caller: Thank you.
4:48 You: and with the other processes I have in flight.
4:51 You: So while I'm happy to take that next step, I'm not confident this would result in an accepted
4:57 You: offer.
5:00 Caller: Okay, so you've cooled on the opportunity based on the call with that.
5:00 You: I got the impression I would have to keep demonstrating
5:13 You: proving myself to Zach or I'd have to keep overcoming whatever dismissive
5:20 Caller: Thank you.
5:20 You: feedback he'd be producing i get that he has a certain cadence and velocity i also acknowledge that it requires a certain foundation of knowledge i can potentially match the velocity but i certainly can't overcome the presumed five years of knowledge building he has
5:22 Caller: Thank you.
5:24 Caller: Thank you.
5:40 Caller: Okay.
5:40 You: however many hours I had to prepare for this.
5:47 Caller: Okay.
5:48 Caller: All right.
5:51 Caller: Well, I appreciate the candid feedback.
5:56 Caller: I understand, again, that's
6:00 Caller: come off a little abrasive and it sounds like that's kind of what you experience and uh rightfully
6:00 You: not abrasive dismissive
6:08 Caller: you know perhaps a cooling on the opportunity because of that that's that's what i'm hearing
6:16 Caller: okay the ignition
6:20 Caller: Okay. Better work. All right. Well, I do appreciate the feedback. Again, it doesn't surprise me. I try to prep. Let me ask you this. How would you prep a chat a date? Or how much prep can you give for the experience that you have? I'd be curious. Did I prep you?
6:20 You: That candidate probably need
6:40 Caller: Thank you very much.
6:40 You: one or two days with the material and also a reasonable foundation in commercial insurance terms
6:42 Caller: You have to be able to see.
6:44 Caller: It's just a very second.
6:46 Caller: It's just going to be able to
6:47 Caller: you know,
6:47 You: and how the industry as a whole is meant to work. So the present state of the industry,
6:49 Caller: and what I was going to
6:51 Caller: see you.
6:53 Caller: It's going to say that you
6:54 You: and it is described very briefly in the deck, versus his intention.
6:56 Caller: and it's just the time
6:58 Caller: at least much.
7:00 Caller: Got it.
7:00 You: vision. So that would be how I would suggest the next candidate is prepped.
7:07 Caller: Got it.
7:10 Caller: Got it.
7:15 Caller: Got it.
7:19 Caller: Okay.
7:20 Caller: got it okay um all right well i will get feedback and circle back and uh see where we are
7:20 You: The
7:28 You: I'm going to be.
7:30 You: I'm going to be.
7:32 You: I'm not.
7:33 You: I'm a good.
7:34 Caller: if there's interest in moving forward i'll let you know and uh we
7:35 You: I'm here.
7:40 Caller: could take it from there. Does that make sense? Yeah, and I appreciate your feedback. And look,
7:40 You: all right so certainly and thank you allan
7:48 Caller: I don't ever want anyone to feel that they had a dismiss of interview. I don't know,
7:55 Caller: you know, again, not being there, but knowing how that can come off.
8:00 Caller: I understand it.
8:00 You: I don't know if it's a good one.
8:03 You: It's a good one.
8:03 Caller: You know, I like good experiences all around.
8:05 You: I don't know.
8:07 You: I don't know.
8:07 Caller: But, again, appreciate working with you on this.
8:09 You: I don't know.
8:11 You: Thank you.
8:11 Caller: Again, it's not over yet.
8:12 Caller: I'll get the feedback and lose back.
8:13 You: Thank you.
8:14 Caller: And then, of course, other opportunities I'm happy to share with you that I have.
8:19 Caller: I don't have anything right now.
8:20 Caller: now that comes to mind.
8:20 You: Wonderful.
8:23 Caller: But of course, I will keep in mind for that as well.
8:32 Caller: Okay.
8:33 Caller: All right, well, thank you, Jed.
8:34 Caller: I'll be in touch.
8:35 You: Perfect. Thank you, Alan. Take care.
8:40 Caller: Thank you.
8:40 You: Thank you.