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0:20 Caller: Hi, I was just about calling you.
0:20 You: Hey Graham. Excellent. I'm well and yourself. Hopefully I can pose too much with Ben.
0:22 Caller: How are you?
0:26 Caller: Yeah, pretty good actually.
0:28 Caller: Yeah.
0:30 Caller: No, no, no, no, no, no. You've done well, thanks for speaking today. You made my day a whole lot more chill. As you can understand...
0:30 You: Thank you.
0:40 Caller: Ben doesn't necessarily, Ben's clientele hasn't necessarily been hedge funds for a really long time.
0:40 You: Thank you.
0:42 You: Thank you.
0:46 Caller: He's only recently started working with hedge funds, so.
0:50 Caller: The point of friction for him obviously makes him a bit more nervy than it would me.
0:50 You: Thank you.
0:54 Caller: And obviously it's his client, but I've taken all the role.
0:57 Caller: So that's why he's speaking to Ben.
1:00 Caller: on that side of things and he could articulate better gym.
1:00 You: Thank you.
1:04 Caller: So that worked out pretty well, actually.
1:08 Caller: The answer to...
1:10 Caller: trading is it's allowed. All trades have to go through compliance, similar to what you
1:10 You: Thank you.
1:17 Caller: pretty much have to go through stock chain.
1:20 Caller: what they will do is have a conversation review in person about that.
1:20 You: I don't know.
1:22 You: Thank you.
1:25 Caller: So what they're proposing on the IP as well is pretty much...
1:30 Caller: Brett did a lot of work on Millenniums IP and how they pretty much regulated IP.
1:30 You: Thank you.
1:38 Caller: Sorry, can you still hear me?
1:40 Caller: Hello?
1:40 You: Yeah, I hear you.
1:41 Caller: Yeah.
1:42 Caller: So he did a lot of work on how Millennium pretty much set up their IP regulations and he understands
1:50 Caller: where you're coming from and pretty much what they've said is when you go into office
1:50 You: I'm
1:55 Caller: to meet with them you will have that conversation with Brett.
2:00 Caller: and the wider team just so they can pretty much explain to you what they're thinking
2:00 You: Thank you.
2:03 Caller: and pretty much come to a point where there might be some synergy with a better understanding of
2:07 Caller: what you're kind of
2:10 Caller: limits are and what you'd be open to just with a better conversation with them in person
2:10 You: Thank you.
2:14 Caller: they might be able to articulate it's better for you um which is the point that they were trying
2:18 Caller: to put across the app
2:20 Caller: right um so brett so brett so breath is
2:20 You: Who ultimately holds decision authority for that policy?
2:25 You: Is it bred or someone in compliance?
2:30 Caller: proposing to have that discussion with you directly there will likely be a
2:30 You: Thank you.
2:36 Caller: conversation with somebody in compliance with regards to that but Brett is coming
2:40 Caller: from an environment similar to yourself whereby he believes that engineers and pretty much people
2:40 You: Thank you.
2:45 Caller: who are working in that space should be allowed to do their own work outside of what
2:50 Caller: Elliot Remet is and he believes that pretty much there should be freedom to develop your own
2:50 You: I don't know.
2:52 You: Thank you.
2:54 You: Thank you.
2:55 Caller: things he came up with a IP regulation that Millennium has employed
3:00 Caller: over the last couple of years.
3:00 You: I see
3:02 Caller: So while he's proposing is to have that discussion with you,
3:05 Caller: see where you're at, and he'll pretty much make a proposal
3:07 Caller: to you with regards to that as well.
3:10 Caller: So those points...
3:10 You: so all of this will be tacked to the super day.
3:14 Caller: Huh?
3:14 You: Will all of this be tacked onto the super day
3:16 You: or is this meant to be happened beforehand?
3:20 Caller: So this will all be packed onto the Super Day.
3:20 You: Thank you.
3:22 Caller: So what their plan will be is for you to meet with one person
3:26 Caller: called Eli.
3:27 Caller: Eli will cover pretty much the scope.
3:30 Caller: of the role where it evolves beyond just AI STLC. Eli is one second, I think
3:30 You: Thank you.
3:40 Caller: Eli is head of data.
3:40 You: I'm
3:41 Caller: So he manages all the data that goes into Elliott.
3:44 Caller: So he'll give you more color on the scope of the role
3:47 Caller: beyond just AI-enabled SDI.
3:50 Caller: it will go further from that and you will hear that from Eli as well as Brett and
3:50 You: Okay.
3:54 Caller: potentially David right um
4:00 Caller: So it will be an on-site to interview with Eli
4:00 You: Excellent.
4:03 Caller: for 60 minutes and then in lunch with Brett
4:06 Caller: where you can have all these questions answered.
4:08 Caller: Is that OK with you?
4:10 Caller: So that's the other side of things.
4:10 You: know which day.
4:14 Caller: I know you sent me availability, but I just wanted to confirm with you if anything has changed.
4:18 Caller: Feel free to share a different available.
4:20 Caller: things have changed and then with that I will reverse to them with your availability.
4:20 You: So Monday I can no longer spend the full day on site.
4:30 Caller: So what, from 12 p.m.? Or you can just send them to me.
4:30 You: the half thing, the front half, and then, let's see, I'll send the range.
4:40 Caller: So, yes, because obviously
4:40 You: I can send the ranges. How long a range do you anticipate?
4:42 You: So if it's used to be four, now it's six, so hypothetically six or seven hours?
4:50 Caller: Brett wants to have lunch with you.
4:50 You: I'm
4:54 Caller: So I'd anticipate a lunch as well.
4:57 Caller: So if you could do any mornings, that'd be great.
5:00 Caller: because it will likely be a conversation with Eli, then going to lunch with Brett.
5:00 You: Understood, then, okay, so...
5:10 Caller: Okay.
5:10 You: It's the back, it's all of Tuesday, the back half of Wednesday, and the front half of Thursday.
5:17 You: If they can, well, I'll give you the precise times and email.
5:20 Caller: Okay, cool. Yeah, perfect. I'll try to get that done for you today.
5:20 You: after this. But the sooner that can be locked up, sooner I can file for PTO and all of that part.
5:30 Caller: So I guess just to kind of clarify and see where you're at with things, have the other offers come through?
5:30 You: One is supposed to come on Monday or
5:36 Caller: Any offers come through today?
5:40 Caller: Mm-hmm.
5:40 You: Tuesday. I already spoke with the hiring manager. It's, it's, uh, it was a soft yes. They're
5:42 Caller: Mm-hmm.
5:45 Caller: Mm-hmm.
5:45 You: checking with compliance. I don't know exactly what that's supposed to mean. And then
5:50 Caller: Okay. And in terms of your view on the offer, I'm guessing that they probably
5:50 You: once that lands, the clock starts.
6:00 Caller: presented a number to you and everything how did that look okay okay okay
6:00 You: He presented a number.
6:05 You: It's roughly in line on a total comp basis with where Elliot is, so it's close enough.
6:09 You: I'm not concerned.
6:11 You: I'm waiting for the actual thing written down along with the rest of the, in this case, the compliance
6:13 Caller: okay okay okay all right so what we'll do is sort of for you ASAp in terms of where you think
6:17 You: expectations since they pushed that to the very end.
6:29 Caller: both roles are at just before it's going into the bookings with Eli do you have any specific
6:30 You: Nothing beyond what we've already discussed, hopefully the discussions
6:39 Caller: I guess it would be rather than expectations I would ask is there any reservations that you may
6:47 Caller: have with regards to any of that you need covered other than what we've already discussed which
6:50 Caller: would already present to them with regards to the scope of the role IP and trading
6:59 Caller: okay okay and in terms of your viewing of it now that you do have one offer in
7:00 You: clarify all this don't create too many new questions. I can't already be answered.
7:04 You: All I have, all I have is a verbal promise. I don't have yet something to sign.
7:08 Caller: hand already how does it look in terms of just ranking wise because you're well aware
7:13 Caller: of that role and full scope and I do understand that you probably really know about
7:17 Caller: 70% okay cool
7:22 You: So as far as I'm concerned, they're the farthest along operationally, but until I have that actual document, it's just some
7:29 Caller: Okay, cool.
7:30 You: one's promise.
7:33 Caller: The other thing that Jim wanted us to make you aware of is referencing will likely start fairly soon.
7:39 Caller: They understand that they can't get a reference from Roe, so one of the things that
7:43 Caller: they propose is potentially if you have worked with somebody who's already left or somebody
7:49 Caller: who's essentially mentioned you while you were there or worked with you while you were there but
7:52 Caller: then essentially walked away from the roll out role, might be a good person to consider for referencing
7:59 Caller: But it also fully depends on how much you trust them without them,
8:00 You: How many people do they need?
8:02 Caller: especially getting that information out to Roe,
8:05 Caller: whilst you're interviewing.
8:06 Caller: So they did want us to just, I'd say if you can get maybe,
8:13 Caller: typically I'd say maybe three always work best.
8:17 Caller: So one from Ro, one from your previous roles and one from a role before that,
8:21 Caller: or two from your previous roles and one from row, something like that.
8:25 Caller: And then if they need more, I'll let you know.
8:26 Caller: I just pretty much just told us to, to,
8:29 Caller: you to kind of get those ducks in a row fairly advanced and know who you'd reach out.
8:30 You: How far back will they accept?
8:34 Caller: I don't think they'd go way too far back, but I'd say if we're looking at your experience,
8:37 You: Well, as a quick example, my previous role would have been almost four years ago now, so do they want me to dig that far back in my career?
8:41 Caller: yeah, so I think, I think if you went four years back and then managed to also find somebody
8:54 Caller: who can think the role part is why they're asking for,
8:59 Caller: a reference from Roe because of obviously the four-year gap.
9:00 You: Understood. So I will see who among the X row on my behalf, and then the rest of my behalf, and then the rest, we'll see how among the X row I can talk to, or are willing to talk to Elliot on my behalf. And then the rest, we'll see how that goes.
9:04 Caller: Let's see.
9:05 Caller: Do I think if you can find anybody who can give some row referencing, that'd be great.
9:11 Caller: If you pause, then find maybe two from your previous role.
9:14 Caller: And two, three from your previous role, and we can figure out what we can do on the rows of other things, okay?
9:21 Caller: Yeah.
9:27 Caller: Yeah, cool, perfect.
9:29 Caller: All right, perfect.
9:30 You: We'll do.
9:32 Caller: All right.
9:33 Caller: Thanks.
9:34 Caller: All right.
9:35 Caller: Once I get your time, I'll send those over and we can try to use this book as quickly as possible today, okay?
9:39 Caller: Perfect.
9:40 You: All right. Thank you, God.
9:40 Caller: Cheers.
9:42 Caller: Bye.